. in his reaction mitch mcconnell said that demint helped galvanize the american people against a big government agenda. that's at least what senator mcconnell sees there. >> yeah, right. the fact is his record was not good, and look. what i'm concerned about actually is that does this mean that the heritage foundation becomes marginiz izizaled from main street movement? heritage is the source of a lot of conservative ideas, not all of which are crazy. it's interesting to see if it remains in the conservative mainly stream or if it goes off into a fringe. >> thank you, gentlemen. greatly appreciate it. let me bring in democratic congre congresswoman from ohio. she ranks third on the house budget committee. thank you for joining us. we hope we got you at the top of the hour. >> thank you, tamron. >> what are your thoughts on the notion there's a dpeel in sight. it's a question of whether you have the bush tax cuts separate and deal with the other issues of entitlement and the fiscal issues the president wants to address as far as the debt ceiling later? >> i'm very optimistic, tamron.